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  • Originally posted by erie skipper View Post

    But Canadien health care--socialized health care--is a mess and people are leaving for that reason alone. I'm told simple surgery can take up to a year to schedule.
    Why is it that only Americans, and mostly Republican Americans, complain about Canadian health care? I have yet to meet an actual Canadian that bad mouths their system. And we have lots off Canadian snowbirds come to South Florida in the winter. We all really know why: Because it makes a strong case for our own national health care system. Totally anathema to Obamacare or Medicare for all.

    Latest polls show 86% are somewhat or very happy with it.

    ------------------ New poll shows Canadians overwhelmingly support public health care

    Group says advocates of private system are out of touch with most Canadians

    In a last-ditch effort to convince Canadians that their public health care system should be privatized, Canadian Medical Association (CMA) President Robert Ouellet has promised to “pull out all the stops” during the association’s annual meeting next week. Trouble is, Ouellet’s mission to lead the change to privatization is exactly the opposite of what 86 percent of Canadians want.

    A new poll conducted by the Toronto-based Nanos Research points to overwhelming support — 86.2 percent — for strengthening public health care rather than expanding for-profit services.

    “With more than 8 in 10 Canadians supporting public solutions to make public health care stronger, there is compelling evidence that Canadians across all demographics would prefer a public over a for-profit health care system,” said Nik Nanos, president of Nanos Research.

    Nanos Research was commissioned by the Canadian Health Coalition (CHC), a nonpartisan group that supports Canada’s public health system, to conduct a random telephone survey of 1,001 Canadians between April 25 and May 3. The margin of accuracy for a sample of 1,001 is ±3.1 percentage points.

    Meanwhile, Canada’s government just released a report titled “Healthy Canadians — A Federal Report on Comparable Health Indicators 2008.” Its findings almost identically mirror the CHC polling results. In that report, a leading indicator points to the fact that “Most Canadians (85.2 percent) aged 15 years and older reported being ‘very satisfied’ or ‘somewhat satisfied’ with the way overall health care services were provided, unchanged from 2005.”

    Michael McBane, national coordinator of the CHC, commented: “Throughout our campaign, Canadians have told us they want to keep our health care system public and to improve it with made-in-Canada solutions. They also have told us they flat-out reject Dr. Ouellet’s proposal to provide us with American-style, two-tier medicine. This poll certainly underlines that for us. Eighty-six percent is a significant portion of the population. It is striking that Dr. Ouellet could be so out of touch with the pulse of most Canadians.”


    Of course that's all lies to the True Believers in Trumps alternative reality:



    Donald Trump said Canada's health system is so slow it's a "disaster". But while Canadians do wait longer for most services, research has found that people are overall pretty satisfied with the system.

    During Sunday night's presidential debate, Mr Trump criticised single-payer health systems, and claimed that in Canada the healthcare system is so slow that people were heading to the US to get better service.

    "When they need a big operation, when something happens, they come into the United States, in many cases because their system is so slow, it's catastrophic in certain ways" the real estate mogul said.

    But John Baird, a former foreign affairs minister in Canada and a Hillary Clinton supporter, slammed Mr Trump's assessment.

    "There's always the bogeyman that is the Canadian healthcare system when it comes to politics south of the border," Mr Baird told CTV News.

    "I think most Canadian families, when they see there's a real emergency - someone in critical care, whether it's needing cardiac surgery or urgent cancer treatment - they get pretty good care."

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    • Originally posted by Sailfish 218 View Post

      Except for those pesky facts. More migrants were deported under Obama's two terms than under any other president. Hmmm, and I thought they were all given voters ID cards on arrival? Millions and millions of them. And they all voted for Hillary? Guess not.

      Fun fact of the day: More people have been indicted by Mueller in the Russian probe than were indicted for voter fraud in the whole 2016 election

      I'm sure Trump is trying his best to beat Obama's deportation record though and surely expect him to do so in the near future. If he can only find enough illegals to deport since he's having trouble finding them at the border crossings. He has already beaten Obama at taking otherwise law abiding immigrants from their homes and their family, and shipping them off.

      Politifacts:

      Immigration advocates once dubbed then-President Barack Obama the "deporter-in-chief." Will President Donald Trump take over that title?

      Trump got to the White House promising "law and order" and directed immigration officials to deport anyone in the country illegally — no exceptions.

      Data from U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement show that overall, fewer people were deported in fiscal year 2017 than in 2016 (fiscal year 2017 included nearly four months of the Obama administration). Overall removal numbers include individuals arrested by ICE in the interior of the country and individuals apprehended by immigration officials at the border and turned over to ICE for removal.
      https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ob...d-more-people/

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      • Ouch!
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        • Originally posted by SIM View Post
          Ouch!
          Yep. Funny thing how the alleged fake news originated with Donald J Trump, even though it's not technically false at all.

          During the third and final presidential debate on 19 October 2016, Republican nominee Donald Trump remarked that President Barack Obama “has moved millions of people out … millions of people have been moved out of this country.” As of 2015, more than 2.5 million undocumented persons had been deported by immigration authorities since President Obama took office in 2009, a total which was statistically record-setting. During the two terms of Obama’s predecessor, President George W. Bush, just over 2 million people were deported.

          However, that statistic is somewhat misleading, as a significant portion of it was due to a change in the way “deportations” are defined that began during the Bush administration, not in the actual number of persons turned out of the U.S. As the Los Angeles Times noted, if not for that change in definition about what constitutes a “deportation,” the Obama administration likely would not have been a record-setting one in this area:


          OUCH? Seems like 99% of what I wrote is correct. Nit picking now, aren't we?

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          • Originally posted by Sailfish 218 View Post

            Yep. Funny thing how the alleged fake news originated with Donald J Trump, even though it's not technically false at all.

            During the third and final presidential debate on 19 October 2016, Republican nominee Donald Trump remarked that President Barack Obama “has moved millions of people out … millions of people have been moved out of this country.” As of 2015, more than 2.5 million undocumented persons had been deported by immigration authorities since President Obama took office in 2009, a total which was statistically record-setting. During the two terms of Obama’s predecessor, President George W. Bush, just over 2 million people were deported.

            However, that statistic is somewhat misleading, as a significant portion of it was due to a change in the way “deportations” are defined that began during the Bush administration, not in the actual number of persons turned out of the U.S. As the Los Angeles Times noted, if not for that change in definition about what constitutes a “deportation,” the Obama administration likely would not have been a record-setting one in this area:


            OUCH? Seems like 99% of what I wrote is correct. Nit picking now, aren't we?
            Copy/paste is not writing....

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            • Originally posted by Pstephens46 View Post

              Copy/paste is not writing....
              And nasty comments add nothing to the conversation.

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              • Originally posted by Sailfish 218 View Post

                And nasty comments add nothing to the conversation.
                And what is nasty about copy paste is not writing? A bit touchey aren't we...Charlie

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                • Originally posted by Mako runner View Post

                  And what is nasty about copy paste is not writing? A bit touchey aren't we...Charlie
                  And that also adds nothing to the conversation Charlie. If you have anything meaningful to add to my last post #109, feel free. Or if you guys want to crawl around in the mud, have at it. I'm trying to present a point of view as I see it.

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                  • Originally posted by Mako runner View Post

                    And what is nasty about copy paste is not writing? A bit touchey aren't we...Charlie
                    Kinda like Carrigan saying I AM FULL OF SHIT awhile back. I could have pulled dozens of Kemper thread quotes but decided not to play. Are there rules? please send them....

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                    • What did they consider to be deported when Obama was king (interjecting my Mike C tone)? Could it be like " Hey Mr illegal immigrant......we are going to let you go if you promise to go back to Mexico. Ok?" Chalk up another deportation!!! or twelve!!! I'm sure they scooted right back to the homeland after that.

                      They probably use the same formula's they use for unemployment stats.
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                      • Originally posted by erie skipper View Post

                        The Canada thing is pretty closed mouth around here. Lots of Russians in Canada and most end up driving trucks---maybe Bosnians, whatever. We watch them loading up on cigarettes at our convenience stores and black marketing them across the border since smoking is very expensive up there... We're really not sure whom they are stopping from crossing or maybe what--the building is a fortress and people have mentioned to me you must have a very good reason and an appt to just have the gate opened for you. Not much in the local media either. The 46% number is a national average, not just Canada. But Canadien health care--socialized health care--is a mess and people are leaving for that reason alone. I'm told simple surgery can take up to a year to schedule.
                        As an actual Canadian, I can tell you that's not true. It just isn't.in Canada, the focus is on preventative care, that is, preventing a problem before it becomes serious. So Canadians have a family doctor, that they see as often as they like. Hell my sister, who is almost 80, sees her doctor weekly for some imagined ailment. Canadians probably overuse their system. But you need a referral from a family practitioner to see a specialist, chosen by your doctor based on what you need, not what you read on the Internet. I don't know a single Canadian that would trade their system for the us system, just like there isn't anyone that would trade Medicare for private insurance. It's cheaper too, with universal coverage. Look, if you think people in the richest country in the world shouldn't be denied health care because they can't afford it, or should go bankrupt if they get it, the answer is there,mand has been tested for 50 years.

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                        • Originally posted by manitunc View Post

                          As an actual Canadian, I can tell you that's not true. It just isn't.in Canada, the focus is on preventative care, that is, preventing a problem before it becomes serious. So Canadians have a family doctor, that they see as often as they like. Hell my sister, who is almost 80, sees her doctor weekly for some imagined ailment. Canadians probably overuse their system. But you need a referral from a family practitioner to see a specialist, chosen by your doctor based on what you need, not what you read on the Internet. I don't know a single Canadian that would trade their system for the us system, just like there isn't anyone that would trade Medicare for private insurance. It's cheaper too, with universal coverage. Look, if you think people in the richest country in the world shouldn't be denied health care because they can't afford it, or should go bankrupt if they get it, the answer is there,mand has been tested for 50 years.
                          Thank you!! Someone that actually knows the truth about the conversation, instead of what they heard from Faux News, or the president, which is one and the same in most cases.

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                          • Well to those who like Canada so much. I will not stop you from moving up there...Charlie

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                            • Originally posted by Mako runner View Post
                              Well to those who like Canada so much. I will not stop you from moving up there...Charlie
                              Well
                              It didn't get alot of press because the attempt failed but Canada did attempt an invasion of the U.S. recently

                              But, the truck full of troops broke down and the other truck had to tow it back to the shop

                              Got a little scary there for a while though

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                              • Originally posted by manitunc View Post

                                As an actual Canadian, I can tell you that's not true. It just isn't.in Canada, the focus is on preventative care, that is, preventing a problem before it becomes serious. So Canadians have a family doctor, that they see as often as they like. Hell my sister, who is almost 80, sees her doctor weekly for some imagined ailment. Canadians probably overuse their system. But you need a referral from a family practitioner to see a specialist, chosen by your doctor based on what you need, not what you read on the Internet. I don't know a single Canadian that would trade their system for the us system, just like there isn't anyone that would trade Medicare for private insurance. It's cheaper too, with universal coverage. Look, if you think people in the richest country in the world shouldn't be denied health care because they can't afford it, or should go bankrupt if they get it, the answer is there,mand has been tested for 50 years.
                                Ok, then educate us as to why so many Canadians come to the states for major surgery. And for my other detractor, I did not get my info from a news source but from Canadian citizens that I deal with in an ongoing basis. We are a little over an hour from Windsor. Just going on what I've been told by many Canadians. If it has gotten better then I'm glad for them.

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