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  • #76
    Originally posted by Tiretyme View Post

    This is a key element that brings back nightmares from '09-'10.......lots of debt for middle America.
    A little hiccup and here go defaults.......discretionary, then credit card, vehicle and eventually mortgage.
    Assume credit is relatively easy again, for now?

    Heaven forbid $3.50 a gallon gas!
    And national debt at $21ish +/- trillion and rising.......
    In 19 and 70 and 2 (Or was it 3) during the A-Rab Oil Embargo I had a red upon the neck fella at the BHM boat show say to me:
    :Son, when gas hits one dollar a gallon you'll never sell another one of them boats"
    I'm very accostomed to the peaks and valleys
    Aint nothing I haven't lived

    Credit is not that easy to get today for boats
    Decent interest rate you gotta score over 700
    Good interest rate you gotta score over 740
    I have my fav-o-rite credit union that allows 640 to get in the door but all the moons and stars have to align just right
    The free wheeling credit days are no longer

    Saying all of that people in the retail boat business have got to be very strong financially to have the floorplan lines for the brands that bring home the bacon
    The retail boat business is a very-very-very intensive money, space and time demand and the return is not all that great as compared to many other business's
    It's not a business for the faint of heart or checkbook

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    • #77
      [QUOTE=Comm. (VP) Mike Carrigan Sr.;n44287][QUOTE=SIM;n44282]
      Originally posted by Comm. (VP) Mike Carrigan Sr. View Post


      Not with a wall paid for by Mexico as it was sold to us as an idea that was pure BS just a RAH RAH session for the faithful
      Not with deploying our military


      What we're seeing is a magnification of something that's been going on since any of us were born
      Just being used politically as never was before to enflame people who buy into the BS
      Calling illegals rapists and such gets the loyal Trumpets all fired up and the cheerleading sessions begin
      There are those that rise to the call for blood and the emperor is an expert at that
      It also takes attention away from the rest of the cesspool he brings to DC with him and the rest of his ongoing circus




      No actually there's some more

      Todays news "Your Emperor" says he has no knowledge of his lawyer paying off his Porn Star and has no idea where his lawyer got the money to do so.

      Now Andy,
      You believe the things this guys sells you?
      Andy, no kidding, huh?
      I don't pay attention to the National Enquirer stuff Mike. Thats your job.

      And....he's not my emperor. OK?
      Andrew Munao Jr
      Yamaha Sales/Tech Support, SIM Yamaha
      888-231-2392 | [email protected] | simyamaha.com

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      • #78
        Since we're talking about Trump. Here's the latest salvo in his war of stupidity. I guess the market will tank again tomorrow.



        WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Thursday he had instructed U.S. trade officials to consider $100 billion (71.4 billion pounds) in additional tariffs on China, fuelling an already heated trade dispute between the world's two biggest economies.

        Trump said in a statement the further tariffs were being considered "in light of China's unfair retaliation" against earlier U.S. trade actions that included $50 billion of tariffs on Chinese goods.

        He added that the U.S. Trade Representative had determined that China "has repeatedly engaged in practices to unfairly obtain America’s intellectual property."

        U.S. stock index futures fell in reaction to Trump's latest statement. Financial markets have swung wildly over the past few days in response to fears of escalating trade tensions between Washington and Beijing.

        "Rather than remedy its misconduct, China has chosen to harm our farmers and manufacturers," Trump said.

        The tariffs are aimed at forcing changes to Chinese government policies aimed at transferring U.S. intellectual property to Chinese companies.

        The USTR's "Section 301" investigation authorizing the tariffs alleges China has systematically sought to misappropriate U.S. intellectual property through joint venture requirements that often cannot be negotiated without technology transfers, something China denies.

        The tariffs have stirred fears that the two countries will spiral into a trade war that will crush global growth.

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        • #79
          Instead of spending $50 billion or what ever to build a wall, why not just send each of them $1000 each to stay home. That would cost $365 million a year which could be earned on the interest from the $ 50 billion.

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Sailfish 218 View Post

            Only problem with that theory is something like 90% of illegals come here legally and overstay their visa. The wall is going to have almost zero effect even if they could build it since most of the border area is private property. I wonder what percentage of actual illegal border crossings come in by boat from Cuba, the Bahamas, or lower California? Even Canada!

            And zero is a pipe dream that you should realize will NEVER happen. So how much money are you willing to pay for this boondoggle? From the party that doesn't want to pay anything in taxes.

            And as for the taxpayers paying, that's another load of crap. Most of them actually do pay taxes including SS taxes which they will most likely never collect on, let alone sales tax, gas tax, and all the other everyday taxes we forget about. And, most of them use local clinics for health care which they pay for out of pocket. But trump needs his bogeyman to keep you all in an uproar.

            I guess it's OK though that they pick all the fruits and vegetables that you eat and keeps your food costs low.
            It's not a theory, current numbers exceed 1000 per day coming into our country. According to you and Mike they just walk across the border and start working a job; please get real. Illegal is illegal and we need to stop it by any means available especially including a wall. Private property? I'm sure property owners--according to several televised interviews will be more than willing to allow a wall; if not there is always eminent domain.
            As to taxes; if the party of tax and spend had not porked the country to death we wouldn't need even the tax rates we presently have.
            And don't forget; if the average "lilly white" guy stated that all they do is come over and work in the fields; the media would tag him racist, eh?

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Comm. (VP) Mike Carrigan Sr. View Post

              Some of our very best fiberglass workers turned out to be illegals
              INS bus came, off they went and we lost some very good people
              They had SS Cards, ID'S,
              Nothing new about any of this

              I had a project in Newport Beach, CA that was supposed to take a couple weeks that went into over six months
              Best I had were illegals
              To me they were subs so I had no direct knowledge that they were illegals but common sense told me they were

              Worked their asses off, worked cheap, didn't complain about a thing, always showed up and never complained about working late or on weekends or on Sunday.....................Except Cinco De Mayo

              Frankly, if I had first hand knowledge that they were illegals it would not have mattered to me one bit

              I was 100% satisfied with the project and my "Rapists" and "Murders"
              I am not saying they don't work hard or are bad people. Its that coming in illegally isn't right or fair to people that come in legally. I had to come here legally and I followed the rules as did my parents. I am still a green card holder.

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              • Parker Yacht
                Parker Yacht commented
                Editing a comment
                It will always separate the line between whats "right" and "wrong".
                Doesn't make it right.

            • #82
              Originally posted by Sailfish 218 View Post
              Since we're talking about Trump. Here's the latest salvo in his war of stupidity. I guess the market will tank again tomorrow.



              WASHINGTON (Reuters) - President Donald Trump said on Thursday he had instructed U.S. trade officials to consider $100 billion (71.4 billion pounds) in additional tariffs on China, fuelling an already heated trade dispute between the world's two biggest economies.

              Trump said in a statement the further tariffs were being considered "in light of China's unfair retaliation" against earlier U.S. trade actions that included $50 billion of tariffs on Chinese goods.

              He added that the U.S. Trade Representative had determined that China "has repeatedly engaged in practices to unfairly obtain America’s intellectual property."

              U.S. stock index futures fell in reaction to Trump's latest statement. Financial markets have swung wildly over the past few days in response to fears of escalating trade tensions between Washington and Beijing.

              "Rather than remedy its misconduct, China has chosen to harm our farmers and manufacturers," Trump said.

              The tariffs are aimed at forcing changes to Chinese government policies aimed at transferring U.S. intellectual property to Chinese companies.

              The USTR's "Section 301" investigation authorizing the tariffs alleges China has systematically sought to misappropriate U.S. intellectual property through joint venture requirements that often cannot be negotiated without technology transfers, something China denies.

              The tariffs have stirred fears that the two countries will spiral into a trade war that will crush global growth.
              China is 100% guilty of copying others technology. My Dad was a engineer and he worked in China. He would have to hide the plans from them say they wouldn't copy them and he also had to make sure that they wouldn't take part the machinery so they could reverse engineer it. The Chinese are plageriseres. It needs to be dealt with finally instead of ignoring it.

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              • #83
                Originally posted by Surfercross View Post

                China is 100% guilty of copying others technology. My Dad was a engineer and he worked in China. He would have to hide the plans from them say they wouldn't copy them and he also had to make sure that they wouldn't take part the machinery so they could reverse engineer it. The Chinese are plageriseres. It needs to be dealt with finally instead of ignoring it.
                No one is arguing your point as to dealing with the transgressions
                To penalize our citizens as in the farmers that the tariffs will hurt greatly many feel is not the answer
                We're going to end up on the losing end of this stupidity

                The guy making this call is a guy who feels the size of his hands in relation to his penis is a qualification to be the leader of the free world

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                • #84
                  Originally posted by erie skipper View Post

                  It's not a theory, current numbers exceed 1000 per day coming into our country. According to you and Mike they just walk across the border and start working a job; please get real. Illegal is illegal and we need to stop it by any means available especially including a wall. Private property? I'm sure property owners--according to several televised interviews will be more than willing to allow a wall; if not there is always eminent domain.
                  As to taxes; if the party of tax and spend had not porked the country to death we wouldn't need even the tax rates we presently have.
                  And don't forget; if the average "lilly white" guy stated that all they do is come over and work in the fields; the media would tag him racist, eh?
                  You are correct
                  His majesty was able to use "Eminent Domain" to evict a lady from her home in AC in order for his majesty to enlarge a parking lot for one of his properties

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                  • #85
                    Originally posted by Surfercross View Post

                    I am not saying they don't work hard or are bad people. Its that coming in illegally isn't right or fair to people that come in legally. I had to come here legally and I followed the rules as did my parents. I am still a green card holder.
                    So let's go back to the case of the Cuban migrants. They come here illegally and were getting legal status as soon as they set foot on US soil. I don't know your, or your parents origins but let's just say you and your parents came from Cuba. Now you've got a green card as a result of an illegal crossing from Cuba. Would you still have the same attitude? And many of the people that are coming are asking for asylum to escape violence or political persecution. What about them? Remember a couple years ago when we were flooded with women and mostly children at the border. They didn't sneak across, they came to the border and asked for asylum and our laws helped them greatly in their plight. Yet they are all counted in the numbers that you guys are pushing.

                    My point is nothing more than I agree that illegal immigration should be dealt with, but in a humane and responsible manner. Not with the fear mongering tactics of Trump using it as a political tool to keep the nationalistic fervor up. And, at this point in history, it's not a major problem. It's just more Trump's bull sh*t and lies.

                    How about instead of wasting a huge amount of money for either a useless wall or sending National Guard troops (who by the way can't even detain anyone legally), let's hire more Border Patrol agents and save a ton of taxpayers money. Instead of having 4 to 6 thousand men watching the desert and making coffee for the Border Patrol agents.

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                    • #86
                      Agree we need to hire more border personnel. We have a big new beautiful building here on Catawba Island about 2 mi down the road from where I am sitting right now. Border agents all over the area and in the sky and on Lake Erie daily. They have been doing a great job and are no small part of why illegal entry is down by 46% from a year ago. Agree we'll never stop it all, but that doesn't mean we can't use all available resources to keep it to a minimum including a wall or walls.
                      I was in the Ohio Nat'l Guard for 6 years---we did nothing other than meet once a month, go to summer camp for 2 weeks and do nothing, and train; many of us would have enjoyed have some sort of mission and reason for being other than just "being ready" .
                      As to Trump's so called lies; let's eliminate, then, all the lying politicians, CIA agents, FBI agents, judges and the rest of the swamp---to call Trump a liar puts him right up there with Barry, Bill, Hilary, Bernie, Pocohantas, Pelosi and her crumbs, Schumer et al. Great company!

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                      • #87
                        erie,
                        are you saying that illegal entry from Canada is down 46% from last year. I wasnt aware of a great exodus of Canadians crossing illegally into the US. Or is that other nationalities coming to Canada and then sneaking across the border? Why isnt there a clamor to build a wall between Canada and the U.S.?

                        As to the Caravans from central america, this happens every year. they get together and travel to the U.S. border and apply for asylum. In the past 4 years, 3 people have been admitted under the asylum exception. This probably causes a bigger problem for Mexico than the U.S., as where do those people go when they can't get in. So Mexico is trying to stop them at their southern border too.

                        Illegal immigration is illegal, plain and simple, whether they swim across the Rio Grande, sail across the gulf stream or fly into JFK. Illegals should be caught and deported. They cannot and do not, for the most part, obtain government services because they cant and are afraid of getting caught. But how is it that they survive. They survive because good Americans hire them, pay them and close their eyes because they are cheap, expendable and exploitable. I never hear any great outcry about going after those American's who create the demand, like drug pushers, for these poor people to risk it all to get here and be abused along the way and after they arrive. As long as "good" Americans keep hiring them, they will keep coming. Go after the cause, not the effect. You prevent cancer by not smoking, not by cutting out your lung after the fact.

                        So, I didnt see any response to my suggestion, half jokingly, to pay them to stay away. But basically, if conditions were decent were they come from, they wouldnt bother to come here. And by the way, here is a recent report from:

                        Statement from ABA Chief Economist, James Chessen:

                        It’s rare to see delinquencies fall in nearly every category, and the levels continue to be very low by historical standards.

                        The steady creation of new jobs has been essential to keeping delinquencies low, and we’ve seen more than 10 million jobs filled in the past four years. Greater job stability and increased take home pay have allowed consumers to make more purchases while keeping balances low relative to their income.

                        Consumers are supported by a robust economy, and they continue to make judicious decisions when managing their debt levels.

                        We are now at a 55 year low for unemployment, basically at 1973 levels


                        While the heads will focus on total job creation and the pace of wage growth, the glaring fault line in the monthly jobs report has seen the absence of young workers, many of whom abandoned the labor force or never entered, particularly young men.

                        This crisis was addressed by Jamie Dimon, Chairman, and CEO of JP Morgan in his annual shareholder letter:

                        Labor force participation – particularly among men aged 25-54 – dropped dramatically. An estimated 2 million Americans are currently addicted to opioids (in 2016, a staggering 42,000 Americans died because of opioid overdoses), and some studies show this is one of the major reasons why men aged 25-54 are permanently out of work.

                        Even worse, 70% of today’s youth (ages 17-24) are not eligible for military service, essentially due to a lack of proper education (basic reading and writing skills) or health issues (often obesity or diabetes).

                        Our schools are leaving too many behind. In some inner city schools, fewer than 60% of students graduate, and of those who do, a significant number are not prepared for employment. Additionally, many of our high schools, vocational schools and community colleges do not properly prepare today’s younger generation for the available professional-level jobs, many of which pay a multiple of the minimum wage

                        So, our own good American kids are too stupid to be employable and too lazy or fat to work at physical jobs. Doesnt sound like illegals are stealing jobs from us. Sounds like we are stealing jobs from ourselves.

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                        • #88
                          The conversation would be so different if the illegals were not assumed to be future democrat supporters. And that is the bottom line.

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                          • #89
                            In my opinion if the first thing an immigrant that enters in the US does is illegal, that is not a very good start. And shame on us if we chose to selectively enforce some laws and not others. It leads to a lawless society.
                            Andrew Munao Jr
                            Yamaha Sales/Tech Support, SIM Yamaha
                            888-231-2392 | [email protected] | simyamaha.com

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                            • #90
                              Originally posted by SIM View Post
                              In my opinion if the first thing an immigrant that enters in the US does is illegal, that is not a very good start. And shame on us if we chose to selectively enforce some laws and not others. It leads to a lawless society.
                              the second thing is that someone hires him. Lets enforce that law too. Or maybe its the first thing, offering an illegal a job if he can get across the border, instead of sponsoring an immigrant.

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