Kalifornia is tough.

[Parker Yacht]

So the shooting in Half Moon Bay happened because the employer charged the worker for damage he supposedly caused to equipment while driving.
We can't get away with that here. Leastwise I have never charged my employees for their "Mistakes".

[noelm]

Without getting into a gun debate, I think some of these people just "snap" some don't have a history of mental illness, so that argument doesn't hold water, others are just "brewing" some kind of feelings, and keep it bottled up, until one day, the top just blows off? Why some people suddenly flip is anyone's guess, we all say things like "I should go and......" when someone pisses us of, but we don't, but every now and then, someone gets so pissed off, they actually do carry out their thoughts!

[LFBB]

So the shooting in Half Moon Bay happened because the employer charged the worker for damage he supposedly caused to equipment while driving.
We can't get away with that here. Leastwise I have never charged my employees for their "Mistakes".

I ran a parking lot for 16 years, I had 1 employee, nice guy, but his ability to pay attention at times was suspect. He'd have an accident in an empty parking lot, no shit. I swallowed several accidents, and finally my insurance company dropped me. I was furious, but liked the man as a person. Had to come up with something, so I told him, my insurance has gone from $1,200-12K with your accidents, I chalk some of it up to cost of doing business, but I'm about done. From this point on, if you want to work here, you will be self insured, meaning, whatever damage you cause, you will pay for out of pocket or, I have to let you go. He took the deal and stayed on, had another accident paid me $3,600.00 and quit.

At least he paid me, he could have bolted and not have.

[Sans Peur]

I tell my people if they wreck one of my vehicles and it is their fault, they pay the deductible. So far I haven't had to enforce it. My last guy that had an accident ripped off the bumper cover and replaced it himself. But they are all mechanics so they have that ability.

[LFBB]

I tell my people if they wreck one of my vehicles and it is their fault, they pay the deductible. So far I haven't had to enforce it. My last guy that had an accident ripped off the bumper cover and replaced it himself. But they are all mechanics so they have that ability.

Let's face it, most people have the ability to control their actions, you don't see UPS drivers with banged up trucks.

When I worked at Dunkin girls would break a glass pot every now and then, some would break one a week. The owner started taking the money out of their check, the breakage dropped quick. It made a world of differance. The owner soon made the rule less strict and made it the 3rd pot in a year you paid for.

[duckfish]

Wish I could get away with charging employees for "stupid" damages. Too many years it would be 5 figures.

[Tiretyme]

In a shop, auto repair shop, wheels & tires, racking up vehicles, etc something is going to happen.
Teach the best you can and leave a place on your monthly p & l for shop claims……done

[SIM]

Wish I could get away with charging employees for "stupid" damages. Too many years it would be 5 figures.

I hear ya on that one. But mistakes happen, so its part of running a business. Frustrating at times. But I don't believe they are intentional. Not thinking, not knowing, it happens.

[Parker Yacht]

I hear ya on that one. But mistakes happen, so its part of running a business. Frustrating at times. But I don't believe they are intentional. Not thinking, not knowing, it happens.

As one of my guys dropped an engine today.

[SIM]

As one of my guys dropped an engine today.

Ughh....Don't know that exact feeling, but some pretty close to it. Sorry, that really sucks. Especially when something happens and no one knows how or why. I encourage them just to fess up which makes it easier on everyone involved. Then I just get to internalize the anger and let it eat me up inside. lol!

Someone earlier mentioned about making them pay when they are chronic accidents. And then suddenly there are less accidents. Might be something to that threat that helps them focus more.

[Parker Yacht]

That might have to happen.
People just are not paying attention.
Meeting in the am.

[duckfish]

I hear ya on that one. But mistakes happen, so its part of running a business. Frustrating at times. But I don't believe they are intentional. Not thinking, not knowing, it happens.

Honest mistakes I hardly blink an eye at. Generally, if it’s from “not knowing” then I consider it I have no one to blame but myself. Maybe a little shared with my foremen & superintendent.

Needless to say in the construction industry, I’ve had my share of dim bulbs. Have one now that’s been with me for about 12 years. About every other year he’ll do something that costs me towards $10k. In those cases I simply weigh the pros vs cons and accept that it’s on me cause I choose to keep him around.

It’s the careless “I don’t give a shit” attitude ones that infuriate me. Typically I can predict who will be the source of those. When hiring times weren’t so desperate, I’d get rid of them quickly.

[Parker Yacht]

^^^^Like^^^^

[Sans Peur]

my guys

[Tiretyme]

Ughh....Don't know that exact feeling, but some pretty close to it. Sorry, that really sucks. Especially when something happens and no one knows how or why. I encourage them just to fess up which makes it easier on everyone involved. Then I just get to internalize the anger and let it eat me up inside. lol!

Someone earlier mentioned about making them pay when they are chronic accidents. And then suddenly there are less accidents. Might be something to that threat that helps them focus more.

Flip side, it’s hard enough hire people anyway

[KMac]

my guys

Man have I been there..

[Riptied]

I hear ya on that one. But mistakes happen, so its part of running a business. Frustrating at times. But I don't believe they are intentional. Not thinking, not knowing, it happens.

This so very true.

An employer only gets out of their employees what they the company invests within such employees.
So, if an employee starts screwing up then that falls on their supervisor or ultimately the owner of the company. Yep, the is to blame at all times.

Every incident is a learning experience and needs to be looked at such from everybody. Employers and employees alike.
Company wants to grow and if it's employees want to grow with it then they need to learn at every chance presented to become professions within their fields and not costing the employer large amounts of dollar damages for not paying attention to the little details which is what usually bites us in the ars. Murphy's Law.

If an employee continues to cost the company money then they need to go.
Put simply, either you/they are part of the solution or part of the problem in any given equation of employment.

In the same retrospect, if a company finds an employee that rises to the top and treats such as their own business then that company needs to stand up willingly and financially take care of said employee without question.

To charge an employee for an employers failure to properly train such employee illustrates the true demeanor of the owner(s) and their mentality. Not a desirable company to be part of as an employee.

All actions of an employee while on the companies time clock belongs to the company and can not legally hold such employee financially liable unless intentional and deliberate damages can be proven beyond a shadow of doubt.
Pull that crap on the wrong employee and your going to be in for a legal civil battle. Last I heard lawyers aren't cheap.

Running a successful business is a marriage and fine tuning is constantly required. Truly a magician's act.